Friday, April 14, 2006

Intercessory Prayer

In Tuesday's post I responded to an op-ed by Episcopal priest Raymond Lawrence on the subject of the recently completed study on intercessory prayer. The study showed that such prayer had no positive impact on the recoveries of recent bypass patients. Lawrence argued that this was welcome news for sincerely religious people, since the whole idea of intercessory prayer was theologically suspect.

One point I made in reply was that Lawrence can talk all he wants about how “credible theologians” (his phrase) think about intercessory prayer, but virtually every religious group of any influence in our society was perfectly happy to promote prior, discredited studies claiming to establish its benefits.

Charles Colson's website Breakpoint has just provided a useful case in point. Consider this commentary, from Breakpoint contirbutor Mark Earley, on the subject:


Naturally, some observers were delighted at the results. They think the study proves conclusively that prayer doesn’t work, and it’s time for men of science to “stop dabbling in the supernatural,” as one academic put it.

But wait a minute. The researchers acknowledged that they could not control for the fact that many “unauthorized” people may have interceded for loved ones in the so-called “unprayed-for” group. And plenty of other studies indicate that intercessory prayer does have an impact. (Emphasis in original)


Lawrence's op-ed argued that the interest in prayer studies seemed to come entirely from scientists, and that this was evidence of their arrogance and lack of recognition of their proper place. But it is not people like Lawrence and his cadre of “credible theologians” who advise the modern Republican party. It is not the moderates who have the ear of the President, or control of numerous Southern and Midwestern state houses. It is people like Colson, and groups like Breakpoint, that set the terms of religious discussion in this country. And they do not share Lawrence's dim view of intercessory prayer.

Incidentally, when I wrote Tuesday's post I was unaware that the funding for this study came from the Templeton Foundation, which devotes itself to projects aimed at reconciling science and religion. It wasn't some arrogant, scientific society that put up the money. You can be sure the Templeton folks were hoping for a different result.

12 Comments:

At 7:19 PM, Blogger Rev. BigDumbChimp said...

But wait a minute. The researchers acknowledged that they could not control for the fact that many “unauthorized” people may have interceded for loved ones in the so-called “unprayed-for” group.

So following his logic how does he explain that the ones were told they were being prayed for and actually were prayed for actaully had a higher rate of complications than the others by I think something like 7-8%?

Can't have one without the other.

 
At 8:51 PM, Blogger Lettuce said...

My pet bugaboo...

Can you define "midwestern"?

Wisconsin is midwestern. Illinois is midwestern. Michigan is midwestern, Iowa is midwestern.

Is it really easier to slander a whole region than it is to name names?

Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

 
At 10:25 PM, Blogger Jason said...

lettuce-

I said numerous Midwestern states, not all of them. I was thinking of Nebraska, the Dakotas, Indiana, Ohio and to a lesser extent Kansas and Oklahoma (which at least have Democratic governors to offer some balance.

 
At 11:23 PM, Anonymous John M said...

But perhaps the study’s biggest flaw involves how the results were interpreted. Christians know that there are three possible answers to prayer: “Yes,” “no,” and “wait.” The Harvard study measured only the “yes” answers. But just because we don’t get the answer we’re looking for does not mean God is not listening or answering.

So there are three possible answers: yes, no, and wait. In other words, no matter what happens, the prayer has been answered, just not the answer the answer that was wanted.

 
At 4:07 AM, Blogger Social Outcast said...

How can someone measure the affectiveness of an intangible opject as prayer?

The idea of the scientific method is prove or disprove a theory based upon an observation. The quality of the conclusion depends on the quality of the design of the experiment. A good design usually has some sort of control to (well, you know) control all varibles involved.

My point is that how can one even attempt to run an experiment on something that humans cannot control. Pray is an action of faith not a control mechanism.

 
At 11:38 AM, Anonymous Todd Sayre said...

How could we tell if it was Yahweh or the Flying Spaghetti Monster answering (or not answering...) the prayers?

That's what I want to know.

 
At 4:32 PM, Blogger Alan Kellogg said...

Stage Manager: Ladies and gentlemen, I regret to inform you that the lead has unexpectedly died.

Lady in Audience: Give him some chicken soup!

SM: He's dead, woman, chicken soup wouldn't help!

LiA: Would it hurt?

 
At 12:32 PM, Blogger David said...

John M wrote:

“So there are three possible answers: yes, no, and wait. In other words, no matter what happens, the prayer has been answered, just not the answer the answer that was wanted.”

Well of course, isn’t it obvious? Consider the classic case of the farmer praying for rain while his son prays for sunshine because he wants to play baseball. Even if it were God’s desire to answer prayers of this type, even He couldn’t do it. This is a clear indication that belief that prayer directs or redirects God’s actions, or make Him “change His mind” have serious logical and theological problems.

Instead, we pray because we are commanded to pray and also because it is an unspeakable privilege to speak with the creator of the universe. Praying demonstrates one’s faith in God, regardless of the outcome (yes, no, or wait). When I pray for “wisdom for the doctor” who is performing surgery on a loved one, I don’t expect God to change His sovereign plan—it is simply my way of talking to God, telling Him my hopes and needs, even though He already knows them, and even though my desires may not align with His will, which my prayer cannot thwart.

 
At 1:35 PM, Blogger Jason said...

david-

Then it sounds like you are saying that intercessory prayer is, in fact, ineffective. That is not the view of many mainline and politically powerful religious organizations in this country.

Also, in what sense are you “speaking with” God when you pray? It looks like a one-way conversation to me. You are not telling God anything he does not already know, and God will not change one single thing about His plan as a result of your prayer. Why does He command you to engage is so futile an activity?

For that matter, why must you be commanded to do something that you feel privileged to do? And yet, God's command was the first reason you gave for praying. And why must you demonstrate your faith to God? Surely he knows all about your faith.

 
At 7:12 PM, Anonymous TTF said...

How hard can it be to digest the concept of "Don't put God to the test"?

Suppose you were testing the All Knowing One - do you suppose he could be fooled by a double-blind study? Are the rats in the lab able to put the scientist through a series of tests?

Knuckleheads...

 
At 5:44 PM, Anonymous Scott said...

ttf

Are you saying God refused to answer the prayers for these very real people who were sick just because scientists were watching?

Not my idea of a loving God...

Let me ask you something: when some observation or study suggests there is some reality to God, do you not accept it as support for your faith? But yet, when some observation or study suggests there is no reality to the whole God game, do you then conveniently say that these things are a matter of faith and God has no business 'proving' himself in such a way?

Knuckleheads indeed...

 
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