Monday, October 03, 2005

The Times on Dover

As if to confirm the opinions expressed in the previous post, today's New York Times gives us this article about the ongoing trial in Dover.


The trial presents a particular challenge for the journalists from science magazines. In the courtroom hallway during a break last week, Celeste Biever, a reporter for NewScientist, was interviewing a courtroom regular, a bearded local pastor who says he considers evolution a lie.

“You want half-bird, half-fish?” she asked, drawing a dotted line on her notepad.

“Yeah, why not,” the pastor said.

Later, out of the pastor's hearing, Ms. Biever said with fascination, “He thinks evolution is a bird turning into a fish turning into a rabbit” - one straight line of common descent, instead of a tree with common roots.


And later:


“We're not just science cheerleaders, and I don't want to overlook any valid argument for intelligent design,” Ms. Biever said. “As far as I'm concerned, I haven't heard one yet.”

As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.

“They're babblers,” said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. “The more Ph.D.'s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get.”


Mr. Grove is so confused that he thinks evolution involves ridiculous chimeras like a half-bird half-fish. Then he casually dismisses the experts testifying in the trial as babblers. Tell me again about how the problem here is a handful of overzealous atheists.

14 Comments:

At 3:17 PM, Anonymous Martin Wagner said...

“The more Ph.D.'s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get.” Well, at least he admits his religion caters to the less-educated.

 
At 4:42 PM, Blogger Bob Davis said...

Damn atheist darwinist babblers always trying to tell the people in that pastor's flock what to believe and how to teach their children, and, and...

Half fish half bird? Really? How cool would that be.

a modest experiment

 
At 7:39 PM, Anonymous J-Dog said...

And how could you forget Mermaids! Half fish and half Siren, or ID "theory" - half-baked!for those with Half a brain!

 
At 7:53 PM, Anonymous Stephen Stralka said...

“They're babblers,” said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. “I can tell they don't know what they're talking about, because they keep saying things I don't understand.”

 
At 9:36 AM, Blogger LloydChristmas69 said...

Hey guys --

Been reading the site and love what you do here. Sorry to be a creepy lurker.

Anyway, I wanted to send you to this person's blog, who has a pro-Creationsim/anti-evolution debate a-ragin'

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I added a few remarks, though I welcome any help in the matter, as I am no scientist. Cheers, and keep up the good work!

PS -- I just stumbled in this blog by accident. No affiliation whatsoever.

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At 9:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I beleive to find the real gravitas of any human endeavor follow the investment of scarce resources or"capital" (e.g. money, time, resources, clout).

Getting beyond the heat of torurouesly made arguments, extrordinary claims, bad science and meaningless research means finding who is willing make an investment in the idea.

I ask christians who defend ID and want it in public schools, if their church has made the investment in ID. Is it espoused from the pulpit? Is it in the catchism at Sunday school? Or, are they teaching it to their kids at home?

These christians may or may not appreciate ID challenges science AND any institutionalized answer to the question "where did we come from?".

It would be interesting to have asked the preacher standing in the court hallway if he had made the investment in ID and is teaching it in his Sunday school and preaching it from the pulpit.

 
At 12:30 AM, Blogger Beaming Visionary said...

lloydchristmas69, I chimed in with a couple of comments on Vallo Fides. I aimed for the haughtiest tone imaginable, because I enjoy the predictablity of the all-too-numerous members of moron brigade retaliating with the "oh u think ur so smart for using big words u just looked up" line, or words to that effect.

 
At 8:03 PM, Blogger LloydChristmas69 said...

Sweet --

Love what you've done so far over on ValloFides. That guy is whacked just a tad...

-- Lloyd

 
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