Monday, September 05, 2005

What on Earth is David Berlinski Talking About?

Not everyone was as impressed by the Dawkins and Coyne article as I was. Here's David Berlinski, commenting via the Discovery Institute's blog:


Please read the article while endeavoring not to laugh, chortle, snicker, hoot or whistle. You will find it cannot be done. In the course of affirming why there is absolutely no controversy about anything over there where Darwinian biologists hang out, they indicate quite soberly that, in fact, there are lots of controversies after all -- all of them precisely of the sort that Darwinian critics have been insisting were there all along and that Darwinian biologists have all along insisted did not exist and were of no consequence. You could, if you wished, line up Darwin on Trial or my own “The Deniable Darwin” and compare it to the remarkably frank admission and ask yourself just what the hell Coyne and Dawkins are not saying that we did not say long before them? And you could, if you wished further, ask yourself why it has taken this long for the leaders of the field to acknowledge the plain fact that Darwinian theories are simpy riddled with problems for which Darwinian theories have no answers. If you were uncharitably inclined, you might even post this entire piece to the DI website with the words: Hey fellas, we told you so.


In the middle there I'm sure Berlinksi meant to say, “..what the hell Coyne and Dawkins are saying...” as opposed to “not saying,” but let's leave that aside.

Berlinski says that Dawkins and Coyne indicate that “there are lots of controversies after all -- all of them precisely of the sort that Darwinian critics have been insisting were there all along and that Darwinian biologists have all along insisted did not exist and were of no consequence.” Of course, in reality they say nothing of the sort.

To anyone who both read the article and cares about presenting its contents with a modicum of accuracy, the point Dawkins and Coyne were making could not have been clearer. There are a great many points of controversy among evolutionary biologists, something no one has ever denied, but they are fundamentally different kinds of controversies from the ones ID folks try to whip up. Here's Dawkins and Coyne:


Among the controversies that students of evolution commonly face, these are genuinely challenging and of great educational value: neutralism versus selectionism in molecular evolution; adaptationism; group selection; punctuated equilibrium; cladism; “evo-devo” the “Cambrian Explosion” mass extinctions; interspecies competition; sympatric speciation; sexual selection; the evolution of sex itself; evolutionary psychology; Darwinian medicine and so on. The point is that all these controversies, and many more, provide fodder for fascinating and lively argument, not just in essays but for student discussions late at night.

Intelligent design is not an argument of the same character as these controversies. It is not a scientific argument at all, but a religious one.


Totally unambiguous, and totally not what Berlinski described. Likewise, none of the controversies Dawkins and Coyne describe show that Darwinian theories are riddled with problems. Just the opposite. In every case the issue is that there are several different possible explanations that fit comfortably within conventional evolutionary theory, but insufficient data for deciding between them. Indeed, these controversies shoud be far more worrisome to ID folks. They are trying to persuade us that evolutionists are fumbling in the dark, desperate for any plausible mechanism to explain the phenomena they confront. So much so, in fact, that the only plausible explanation for natural history involves concocting, out of whole cloth, a designer with incomprehensible powers. The reality is scientists are inundated with plausible explanations, and argue over which is the correct one.

Periodically I accuse this or that anti-evolutionist of being a liar, and when I do so I know to expect an indignant comment or an angry e-mail. Typically my correspondent informs me that he is generally on my side, but does not appreciate the nasty tone I sometimes take.

To any such person reading this who feels inclined to comment, I offer a simple challenge: Read Dawkins and Coyne, then reread Berlinski's description of what they wrote. Then tell me what I should conclude about Mr. Berlinski?

103 Comments:

At 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having watched the evolution wars for some time, the only conclusion I can come to is that the creationists have been slaughtering straw men for so long that they can no longer see the battlefield for all the straw. When you start believing your own lies, you're in big trouble.

 
At 12:55 PM, Blogger Salvador T. Cordova said...

Jason asked, "tell me what I should conclude about Mr. Berlinski?"

Well, since the article was by Jerry Coyne, let us see what he has to say about IDists. In Case against ID, Jerry Coyne said of IDists that they are "intelligent" and "are not lying" for the ID cause, and decribes the motivations as "sincere".

I agree with Coyne's assessment of IDist's sincerity, honesty, and intelligence. Thus, I think one could conclude Berlinski has all those fine qualities: sincerity, honesty, intelligence.

I thus look more favorably on Coyne than I do Richard Dawkins since Coyne views IDists in this favorable light.

I think Berlinski is fair to point out that the self-assured beliefs of Dawkins and Coyne in purely naturalistic evolution is not justified by the many controversies in the field. Berlinski simply disagrees with Coyne's confidence in evolutionary theory.

One might feel that Berlinski and his comrades are mistaken, but I don't think one can make the claim that he and his friends are fundamentally dishonest.

Salvador

 
At 3:11 PM, Anonymous Mike Klymkowsky said...

Tragically, Salvador is wrong.

What makes the science vs. anti-science debate so futile (from a science educator's point of view) is that over-whelming evidence for one position has no apparent impact on its doctrinaire (and fundamentally irrational) opponents.

If creationist/anti-science ideologs were open to argument (or for that matter honest about their prejudices or true agenda), then discussion might be worthwhile.

There are, of course, many historical examples where the tentative nature of science has been forgotten by people who attempt to the authority of science to support their political/ideological positions (e.g. racist eugenics) - but this religious attack on rationality is despicable primarily because of its dishonest tactics.

Only the backing of the fundamentalist religious groups keeps this debate alive at all - from a scientific perspective there is no point in backing a scientifically empty position (although there still people trying to patent perpetual motion/free energy machines).

As far as I can tell, the only appropriate and productive response to these attacks on the scientific enterprise is to ignore or ridicule them.

 
At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Russell said...

Sometimes it's not easy to tell the difference between "dishonest" and "blinded by faith/precommitments/loyalty/whatever". Case in point, the alleged Salvador Cordova (I say alleged because I'm not sure he's not a sort of Phil Hendrie impersonation of an IDist).

Here's what Jason wrote:
"Read Dawkins and Coyne, then reread Berlinski's description of what they wrote. Then tell me what I should conclude about Mr. Berlinski?"

Cordova then proceeds to ignore the content of (1)Coyne's & Dawkins's essay (2)Berlinski's rejoinder and (3)Jason's analysis. Instead, he cites some (perhaps overly generous, but in any case irrelevant) remark Coyne once made, and completely changes the subject.

How about dealing with the issue at hand Cordova? Are Coyne & Dawkins only raising the same points that Johnson and Berlinski have been trying to get advertise, or are they different? I conclude they are very different, and I see no better explanation for the apparent discrepancy than that Berlinski is, let's just say "not primarily interested in the truth".

 
At 4:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is what Cordova does.

He is little more than a cyber-cheerleader and sycophant for (insert name of latest IDcreationist hero here).

 
At 7:17 PM, Blogger The Nekkid Truth said...

Berlinski fires up a flare saying that his "Darwinists" are admitting controversy, but then forgets an all-important detail - he doesn't cite the details.

To make his point with any degree of impact, Berlinksi needs (stating the obvious here) to cite Dawkins and Coynes' specific controversies, then fit ID theory into those controversies to show how it provides a plausible (if not better) answer.

He doesn't do so for real reasons. ID doesn't come close to providing answers to any of the Dawkins and Coynes' cited controversies, which pretty much renders his entire commentary a limp and feckless yawner.

 
At 7:20 PM, Blogger ts said...

"I think Berlinski is fair to point out that the self-assured beliefs of Dawkins and Coyne in purely naturalistic evolution is not justified by the many controversies in the field."

Here Cordova even lies about what Berlinski "point[ed] out".

As for whether Coyne thinks IDists are sincere and not lying, that's an fallacious appeal to authority -- itself a form of intellectual dishonesty.

 
At 7:48 PM, Blogger John Wilkins said...

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At 7:50 PM, Blogger John Wilkins said...

... what should I say about Mr. Berlinski?

He's a goddamned low down dirty liar. That's what. I have little time for those who say things they can plainly see are false; we should state the truth.

And I too rarely but sometimes call people names like this - when it is needed.

 
At 12:09 PM, Blogger JM O'Donnell said...

" Tragically, Salvador is wrong. "

Don't you mean 'typically'?

Salvador seems to live in an alternative parallel fantasy world where ID actually has some use for anything other than for poor political purposes. I guess after seeing so many of his heros Dembskis waterloos turn out badly, he's just given up on reality and doesn't bother actually trying to address actual points anymore.

What a shame.

 
At 3:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heh. You blokes might want to tone down the slants and insults part... While very, very true (and - let's not forget - equally amusing), they're *paradise* for fundie quote-miners wanting 'proof' of the 'persecution' that they believe themselves to be suffering at the hands of the 'high-handed Darwinistic Inquisition' (yes that's an almost direct quote from a fundie - I'm not making this up).

While riling up fundies doesn't bother me the slightest (and is amusing to watch) let's remember that some poor sod out on a BoE might get some quote chucked in his face that (lovingly mined and surgically removed from the context) 'proves' that the pro-science side is actually an ivory tower intellectual aristocracy that seeks to punish dissenters.

This could very well be a Bad Thing, because nobody likes people who ridicule the opposing side in an argument, no matter how well-motivated and -deserved that ridicule may be.

Besides *chucking* insults is bad form. Insults should be carefully wrapped in tactful allusions and presented as gifts :-)

 
At 5:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few people being rude on a blog is not persecution. Surely you realise how rude scientists are about genuine scientists with whom they disagree.

 
At 8:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, but 1) They don't usually post it on a public website and 2) They usually don't have the kind of public relations problems that American anti-religious-nonsens-in-schools people seem to be facing...

You'll notice that the point was not that the pejoratives employed are unfair or misplaced - which they are manifestly not, but that a creationist might take - say - Wilkin's post above, cut out the last two lines and present it in 'evidence'... This is not an uncommon tactic amongst those who are - ah - less than fully committed to intellectual integrity.

Preaching to the converted (you should pardon the expression) is all well and good, but doubters might recoil from a site that ridicules the opposition - no matter how well-deserved the ridicule is.

And we all know that the crea side of the 'controversy' don't do that... They just vaporise you Orwell style if you make a sufficiently intelligent retort, leaving the impression that their sites are open-minded and intellectually honest (which - considering the evidence - is the least of their inaccuracies).

To each his own, I guess. But www.talkorigins.org is more my... style.

Bah, I think it was stupid of me to start a meta-debate...

\end{rant}

 
At 10:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If only Berlinski's numerous detractors could approach his level of erudition and wit!

 
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